This is the sign up options for the Atuin Desktop "hub" accounts signup, with Github and Google as the two external login options. And a dev centric product @atuin.sh might even be up for it!

Getting "Sign up with ATproto" on there with consistent branding and flows is somewhere we CAN get to.

Demo: atproto login flow for @pckt.blog using an account with an external PDS and syncing a blog post to that PDS. 

Thanks to @rude1.blacksky.team @blackskyweb.xyz for making it so easy to set up an atproto account hosted outside of bluesky so I could test this.

Inspired by the work from @nickthesick.com for @bookhive.buzz who was in turn inspired by @jakelazaroff.com Kipclip now also has the cool handle autocomplete feature on the login page that all the cool atproto kids have! Happy url collecting ❤️

Thinking along the same lines. Seems like there's a related opportunity for people like Identity.com and/or OpenID.net to step in and host a "Log in with" button and atproto compatible auth layer in between identity registries and personal data server providers.

one annoying thing about "log in with atproto" is that it's not a single button press because you have to enter the handle. whereas with google account it's just a button press and then another button press to choose the account i'm logging into.

is there a solution to this?

once "Login with ATProto" becomes normal, it's downhill from there

We have a long way to go, though

No yeah I agree, "type your handle" is exactly the kind of thing where the nerds will be like "what, it's easy!" and then 25% of people just lose interest when they don't remember their handle instantly

Shame to entrench Bluesky tho. One way to make it faster would be something like Discord login

This would make for an interesting front end only ATProto project - make a standalone account creation interface. 

Might actually pair nicely with 
- @danabra.mov’s internethandle.org
- Blacksky, NorthSky, EuroSky options 
- choice of domain name
- additional app explorer / new account checklist

if a specific atproto app gains enough traction independently, it could just have a login without explicitly referencing a protocol or bluesky at the top level

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Login with your DID*
(* did:plc or did:web supported)

Thoughts on this atproto login UI?

Play with it on the link below but you need a Vercel account so i attached some screenshots too

frontpage-git-rework-login-form-frontpagefyi.vercel.app/login?_vercel_sh…

IDK about "internet handle." 

The internet means something to people and what it means is something bigger than AT Protocol. 

Why not #atproto handle? That's what it is, isn't it?

My thoughts on "Sign in with your internet handle" as a call-to-action for authentication, and my guidance and best practices for handling authentication inputs. #ATProtocol #Authentcation

ngerakines.leaflet.pub/3ma7hed2kdk2x

I like Nick’s take here but I think the single best thing we could do would just be visually consistent across all the major atproto apps

Atproto Login Form Working Group (ALFWG), anyone?

Getting us all to actually reach consensus and ship something together would make us unstoppable

I don’t think it’s about someone else saving us, it’s about us being strategic in how we save ourselves 

Names matter, negotiating with normies’ mental models matter

(Says the girl who picked “germ.”)

Yes - hence it will take time & I don’t think it’s going to be done in a thread at all. I’m certainly not qualified but I know some people who are.

Maybe the move is to reclaim the @ 
  
Cc @anna.germnetwork.com

maybe I watched too many commercials when I lived in America, but I can so easily imagine generic voiceover guy saying "Powered by ATProto"

my two cents

h1 - Log into the Atmosphere

summary - Use your internet handle
details - This would be a domain you control. Most likely from Bluesky, Tangled, Gander, or other AT protocol applications.

a - Learn more about the AT Protocol and owning your social media data

how do we convey it's the @ that cares about your human rights, can that be a thing

can that be our thing

Guide on what to name the handle/username/signin on your atproto/ATProtocol/AT Protocol/Atmosphere app/website/application/cli
 
- 100 < users: BlueSky
- 110 > Bluesky
- atleast 1 did:web user, Bluesky/atproto handle
- 1k > ATProtocol handle
- 10k > Internet Handle 
- 40m > Bluesky handle

been sketching off this idea of the internet handle. i don't completely hate it now

my vote would be for "ATmosphere handle"

a variant of a recognisable English word distinguished by its capitalisation

and you can further strengthen the branding by also mentioning "powered by ATProto"

Per my cofounder the naming goal should be something like email 

It’s simple and neutral: mail, but e-lectronic 

So staying close to the @ feels smart - it’s the universal form of identity on this thing we call social media

So much of this should focus on some basic branding.  Like, how would normal people use it in a sentence?  This is what was brilliant about "tweet".

"You can find me 'at' knowtheory.net " makes sense and has previous history.

I'm less excited about "My internet handle is 'at' knowtheory.net "

I'll be honest, I'm not especially worried about whether we call it "internet handle" or "at handle" or something else.

I'm thinking more about things like this.

I think that the login form on every atproto app should be different because I like individuality

something like this

Literally. We aren’t the entire internet as cool as that’d be… I don’t understand why this is the direction y’all want to go. The protocol has already coined a term for this. Atmosphere. Just use it and people will begin to understand. Use something completely unrelated and it will cause confusion.

What about it

Great marketing defines the answer by the questions it asks:

"what's your @?"
"what can you do with it?"
"where can you use it?"

just one site?
or everywhere worth going?

It is so funny that people are calling a discussion about network ui and ux as a scandal.

How do people think communities and open decisions get made?  Discussion is important!  Disagreement is ok!

Welcome to the ATmosphere. It’s an ecosystem of independent apps including @bsky.app, @leaflet.pub, and @anisota.net. You sign in to all of them using your @ handle which is tied to your ATmosphere account. The apps and companies don’t control your data, identity, or username anymore… you do.

This has been the most approachable proposal imo but doubling down on what I said yesterday about UX/content needing to lead this, this also needs research and talking to people not directly invested in a solution.

its probably obvious im not a designer here lol

rant

nate.leaflet.pub/3mac4dcsums2h

If your thing says Bluesky without mentioning Blacksky, it's cool -- I'm just going to act like you and your project and your company don't exist.

It's atproto or stay on your side.

Remember back in 2007 when ZDNet called 2007 the year of URL-based identity?

Agreed, and at the same time I feel we have barely scratched the surface on the power of movements: there is something important in what my friend Ida wrote here
idajosefiina.com/services-1

I like the internet handle thing except maybe for the fact that it looks so much like your email address.

I suppose if I say my internet handle is @tokono.ma and my email is email@tokono.ma That kind of makes sense.

But what if my handle was @steven.tokono.ma and email steven@tokono.ma? 🤷‍♂️

All the discourse about ATproto handle or internet handle etc just convinced me I'm on the right track just saying "log in with your whatever". 

Although I'd probably just settle for a button that just says "Atmosphere". *stokes the flames a bit*

atproto login discourse is calming down, maybe I should do a an atproto login page tier list so we all get angrier 👀 

jk I think maybe every single Streamplace contributor is waiting on me for code review right now, that’s today’s stream

See I can live without “internet handle” but I’m just not sold on leading with “Atmosphere”. If someone has legitimate curiosity or confusion they can’t google it like they could with “AT Protocol” or atproto

alright the internet handle, atmosphere, atproto discourse has been fun, but i think it’s time we all got back to the hard work of making shit people wanna actually use in the first place

I’ve oftentimes said AT-net as a more explicit way to talk about the Atmosphere, thinking of it as

AT-net = the network
Atmosphere = the ecosystem

The cuter spelling is @net. Soo, might have a go at
‘Login with @net address’

It’s semantically similar to ‘internet handle’ so they can co-exist.

In which i offer to facilitate a research project to explore atproto ecosystem brand and user experience needs 

discourse.atprotocol.community/t/research-p...

Thinking about atproto login flow and I’m leaning towards the following: 

1. No technical jargon, let the infrastructure fade into the background.

2. Identity is contextual, use language that reflects intent (writing as, reading as, etc).

3. Bring an identity or start a new one.

Thoughts?

i should say “sing in with your AT handle” is easily my second favorite.

sounds exactly like @ handle, but clear tie to AT and visually different 

doesn’t require so much arguing, capitalizes on AT wordplay

but it needs to link to normie explainer etc

It would be awesome to use a collective deliberation tool like polis for making sense of atproto ecosystem-wide discussions like sign in branding / terminology. Bsky threads are not the appropriate format. plus many more voice can contribute meaningfully.

I’m very confused by this internet handle discussion. If the protocol design has been consistent about one thing, it’s that atproto is *not* an authentication system.

You’re signing-in with a DID that uses DNS as a certificate authority.

What this ecosystem needs is a way for people to sign up for Bsky accounts without them having to ask "what the fuck is Bluesky?"

Effectively, a flow that's as transparent as OAuth for sign-ups.

We're almost there, but every step you ask someone a question you double your odds of losing them.

hard agree, we need something to link people to as a quick intro/run-down of atproto besides "it's the protocol that powers bluesky" and i think this is the perfect opportunity for that